bemethavinci Graham ok...thank you so much sir graham...am always pleased with your help and its about time i let you be and let me do somethinq...like you once said that if i depend on you...i wont learn any thinq...thanks for that piece of advice i will stick to it...but one last question...about bootstrap...what if i want to customise my own bootstrap design without copying from other site...and design it to my taste...where will i start to make it to the end